Do descents count?

Just a bit of information which may already be known about! Holst HVS 5a, on 40-Foot Wall at Juggy Point, Range West, Pembroke has turned into an aerial Jenga game with a tonne (literally) of rock just waiting to fall from about 7m. There is a new (I'm not sure HOW new) alcove due to rockfall half way up the route. I climbed up to the Jenga, nudged it and then scuttled off left onto the E1. I was almost scared to shout in case the vibrations made the whole route disintegrate! I would recommend staying off this route! The ones to the left of it were fine though. I didn't check the ones to the right but reckon they were probably OK too. I think if I had pulled on the lowest block or fallen on gear placed by it, I might well have killed my belayed and possibly myself. Just thought I should warn people! I did this route on 25th May 2017 and it was fine. It has definitely changed!

I cannot tell you how much this 'incident or near miss' site/page whatever you want to call it irritates me to the point of anger. It is a total load of rubbish. For a start off what in god's name is a near miss? If you have nearly missed you have hit! All this site does is give, it seems to me, attention seekers a voice to air their epics. I've read some of the reports:they are like scripts from comedy shows. Can I refer you to the Idwal Slabs crisis and the abseiling epic. I simply cannot believe any sane person would want or indeed need to articulate ignorance and incompetence.

Everybody makes mistakes. We do. We are human! The point is we learn from them. It's called experiential learning. We do what we do, go to wild places , rock climb, ice climb, flog up bloody massive hills, run, walk et al, and we learn! We assess the situation. We make judgements. One thing I do know from experience is that I MAKE THE CHOICE. So when I hear on the grape vine(0h yes the old way) that a bloody great chunk of rock has fallen off Castle Rock l go and have a look. It is then MY decision whether I take the risk or not. When Colin Downer and team go up and clean it and reclimb it ( I am a huge fan of Downer by the way ) do you honestly think I'm going to jump straight on it with out making a personal assessment. Forget that!
Sure post dangerous events for e.g. Rock falls but spare me, and the rest of fraternity to which I BELONG from idiotic ignorant epics.
The message is simple the more you do the more you learn. Above all the second you believe that you are superior to Nature you've lost! As humans in wild places (however we interpret Wild Places)we never conquer. We are allowed to achieve our aims and objectives by our assessment of time and space at that given moment.
Rolling knots!? How to knot two ropes for an abseil!? Descending slopes and slipping!? Spare me!
And finally if you do feel insecure and unsafe get on a course.
Above all get out and DO IT! We all have this inbred safety factor. It's called FEAR!

In reply to Jonathan Garside

We may well be arguing semantics here, and I DO NOT APOLOGISE, if you nearly miss then you hit : if you nearly hit then you miss. How can you possibly redefine this apart from making a vain attempt to justify your 'incident/near miss site page'. Using the American Alpine Club as a recommendation for validity of the BMC site is it seems to me ridiculous! Have you researched your second paragraph 'the long established 'Accidents in North American Climbing journal'? Or are you simply assuming that the august body the American Alpine Club publishes righteous articles and is read by all. It is not read by all and I hasten to add I have no idea what the circulation of the journal is. I would suspect however that if the American Alpine Club has a similar standing in the USA as the Alpine Club in this country then the vast majority of participants in this catholic (all encompassing ) activity will ask who are they? what are they?what are they doing for me? Simplistically nothing! Your paragraph is a red herring!
A lot like this BMC site you are promoting.
You can expostulate it virtues until you are blue in the face but in my opinion it is a nonsense and a waste of time and effort.
The American Alpine Club? The Alpine Club (U.K.)? No thankyou very much. Tell your intrepid volunteers what they would have to do to gain acceptance to the Alpine Club AND their chances- every sarcasm intended!

Personally I would be too embarrassed to say I was stupid enough to nearly abseil off the end of my rope, or I got avalanched because I ignored/didn't check the Avalanche forecast and keep away from the south west facing slopes etc etc.
However, it is voluntary and if you don't want to hear about someone's idiocies then simply don't read it!
Don't sit on here rubbishing someone's efforts to promote safety if you can't come up with a better alternative.
I have corrected a stranger at Swanage who tied off his learner colleague's belay with an Italian hitch and he later shouted up to ask us to check his mates belay because he had never done one before. we moved away and climbed further along. The point is there is a lot of well meaning stupidity around and anything that alleviates it has to be a good thing.

What gets done with the statistics gathered from this?
And where do I find them to read?

In response to a reply to two of my missives dated 08/05/2019
I.Sorry for the late response . It would appear that we share a similar view in regard to this nonsense and I quote 'personally I would be to embarrassed...........' as would I!
2. "If you don't want to hear about some ones idiocies then don't read" I had taken this path before your perfectly logical and sound advice hence the (very) late reply.
3. "Don't sit on here rubbishing some ones efforts to promote safety"...... "if you can't come up with a better alternative". This is somewhat rhetorical as you in the next paragraph your advice to climbers in Swanage is what WE?! have a tendency to do.
4. I did come up with an alternative, two in fact if I can reiterate get out there and do it (experienctional learning) and if you are unsure get on a course! Or ask advice from experienced people.
5. To James Evans. A great question. In fact I would contend a show stopper! The statistics from this will be minimal AND subjective (by that I mean biased) and why is it necessary to quote the "American Alpine Club Journal as an example as a model. As I said before why use this as a model, what is its circulation figures, who are the readers? Frankly we have NO idea therefore,until we do it's use as a model is inadvisable. BUT James, I am aware that we are much maligned and indeed perhaps underrated in the out door sports field, we are good and I mean really good in certain aspects. I am referring to Mountain Rescue. Real people, indeed proper people. They save lives. They are nonjudgemental. They are volunteers who run totally professional units......and they religiously record incidents. So if you want statistics on incidents log onto their websites. It is illuminating, encouraging and at the same time sad.
Why reinvent the wheel all the evidence is there on record. Why is it not being utilised rather than quoting an obscure journal in The USA. The BMC as a viable source compared to Mountain Rescue is a joke
6. I don't want negative life changing incidents. I DON'T!

BMC well meaning or not this is a waste of time and opportunity!

Why is the rock fall at Tremadog headlined in Access and Conservation and not in Incident and Near Miss. Rock fall in the slate quarries 14/06/2019? Check out UKC , Forums, Rock Talk! You have major credibility issues at the BMC I'm afraid

A subjective view regarding the rock fall at Tremadog it was on UKC way before the BMC. My contention is therefore that that I, like many other activists, use the UKC site rather than the BMC. But this is a red herring and a deflection away from the original discussion. Now seen as how only I and two others have chosen to express opinions on this matter then it would appear that there is a limited uptake and it's a cul de sac. It is good to see the picture of the Mountain Rescue with the gong on the opening menu though! No sarcasm intended

There needs to be some way of verifying the information in these reports. An incident I was involved in has been reported by a 'spectator' who has got almost all the facts wrong, (there was a fall, the rest is wrong in almost every detail) he has inserted himself into the rescue in words and denigrated the people involved by his conclusions. This is not a useful facet of this reporting of incidents and allows for some ego boosting and insulting to take place. The reporter should have to identify themselves to the BMC (I think this may happen, but the BMC should seek out further witnesses before posting what could be very misleading, upsetting, false information.

I think this a really positive step in informing all outdoor users as to the risks associated with the areas they visit and the sport they take part in. If an individual can see the highest incidents associated with a particular area, or in a particular discipline, e.g. winter walking, rock climbing, sport climbing, hill walking they can make informed decisions on the routes they take and the activity they choose. Also, as a professional body the BMC can identify areas where the highest number of incidents are reported and inform the outdoor community of these hotspots.

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